# Closed vs. open AI ecosystems: Kanjun on Decoder

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Last updated 24 Apr 2026

_Our CEO, Kanjun Qiu, went on The Verge‘s Decoder podcast to discuss the question hanging over the AI industry today: whether it will resemble the more open, user-centric vision of the early internet or the closed, walled garden approach of the social web. Listen to the full episode [here](https://www.theverge.com/podcast/796667/ai-industry-crossroads-openai-sora-chatgpt)._

## Discussion Highlights

**Hayden Field (00:00)** Hey there, and welcome to Decoder. I’m Hayden Field, Senior AI Reporter at _The Verge_...

**Hayden Field (01:56)** So let’s jump right into our first story of the week...

**Kanjun Qiu (02:42)** I think that this is all to be expected...

**Hayden Field (03:17)** How so?

**Kanjun Qiu (03:19)** Yeah, I think right now we’re kind of at a crossroads...

**Hayden Field (05:34)** That makes sense...

**Kanjun Qiu (06:09)** Yeah, I think that part is going to be quite similar to what we saw in the last 10 years...

## Imbue’s Decentralized Approach

**Hayden Field (06:54)** I think it’s a really hard problem...

**Kanjun Qiu (06:54)** I think it’s a really hard problem and the moment in time we’re at is, kind of where we are in our digital environments today...

**Hayden Field (09:49)** Got it. That makes sense...

## OpenAI vs. Decentralized AI

**Hayden Field (12:05)** We need to take a quick break. We’ll be right back.

**Kanjun Qiu (12:05)** We need to take a quick break...

## Reflections on Sora 2 and AI Video

**Hayden Field (13:19)** I think Sora shows what happens when AI capabilities meet platform incentives...

**Kanjun Qiu (15:59)** I think it’s a really complicated situation because...

## The Impact of AI in Recruitment

**Hayden Field (21:00)** So this is actually a perfect example of when AI mediates human relationships...

**Kanjun Qiu (23:21)** I’m really glad you brought that up because...

**Hayden Field (24:22)** I think AI is so fundamental a technology...

**Kanjun Qiu (29:25)** I think this is part of why it’s important for these systems to be more explainable and controllable...

## Conclusion

**Kanjun Qiu (38:49)** Yeah, same.